Is China So Bad?

What can you say about China that hasn’t already been said in this global economy we live in? You can sit on one side of the fence that just doesn’t care where your product is made as long as it works or you can be all pro ‘Merica FUCK YEAH! Has China really become such a detriment to snowboardings future?

Does anyone else remember when K2 moved production from Vashon Island to China? I remember it pretty well and how bad their products were for the first couple years. Their quality control wasn’t what it is today and because of that they suffered. If you look at how much presence K2 has and how people are actively seeking their stuff out, I’d say they’ve escaped the ‘curse’ of Chinese made production. Or at least the biggest reasons the anti-China people claim.

Your boots or bindings are more than likely made in China. Other than Spark and possibly Karakorum (not 100% sure on them being made in America) can anyone think of a company making bindings in North America? I know there are factories in Europe that make them but those seem to have become few and far between these days. How many of you have been able to get 100 days or more out of your boots and bindings? Was their failure or product death ultimately because you used and abused them for their intended purpose or was it just manufacturing defect? I ask the question about the boots since 95% of you are riding boots made over there and it’s also the one piece of equipment that takes more abuse than anything else.

So here’s the typical arguments about why China is bad and the U.S. is so fucking great:

  • The Chinese don’t ride so we’re not supporting snowboarders
  • Taking money from our economy
  • Slave wages
  • Inferior quality
  • Inferior materials
  • Horrendous working conditions
  • Polluting the environment

Alright do we really need snowboarders working in a factory to make our boards? Do you need a gamer making your Xbox or a programmer assembling your Ipod? No, it’s a tedious mind numbing task so who should give a shit about who is putting it together. Now designing the products that’s an entirely different story.

Initially sure they may have taken jobs from our country which effected our economy but does where a product matter if the company is housed in our country and products are sold here initially effecting ours?

Are people really that under paid compared to their cost of living? I know plenty of guys doing lay up for U.S. companies that at most are making ten bucks an hour. Is that any different than someone making five dollars an hour whose cost of living is half of what ours is? It’s all relative.

Quality control can lack in just about any factory. Anyone remember when Rome and Capita had issues with their top sheets a couple years back? They were using Elan and it was a factory error and it wasn’t little Mao’s hand in doing it. Quality control issues can happen anywhere with anything, hence why we have all those auto recalls for cars built in the United States. Materials fall into this as well as it’s more often than not just a quality control issue.

Everyone brings up working conditions as if it’s worse in one factory in China than it is in one in the U.S. Have you ever been into a factory? They’re not cleanly, even with a respirator you’re still breathing shit air, and almost everyone working with epoxy is guaranteed to become allergic to it. It’s a shitty place to work regardless of where you are.

Pollution yeah there’s no argument about that. China is like the asshole of industrial waste. Shit just keeps coming out and getting dumped wherever because there isn’t enough regulation.

People view China as this big bad thing in truth we need it as much as they need us buying their goods. Their emerging middle class will be bigger than the population of the United States and because of this they will shift the global power. On top of that there is a shift over there in rising production costs and demands from workers. Could this cause a shift of production back to America?

At the end of the day it shouldn’t be country to country bias but factory to factory. There’s some great factories and some really shitty ones out there. These are only as good as their labor force and quality control enforcement. If China isn’t your thing vote with your wallet if you’re so concerned, but first look at where your bindings, boots, and outerwear are from.

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  1. Milo says:

    The European brands of bindings that you probably refer to are not producing in Europe anymore, at least to my knowledge.
    The design is still made in Europe and while some parts used to be produced in Europe they have been de-localized to China a few years back. The assemblage used to be done in Europe (back then you could get a MADE IN …. label just for that) but with the new laws a significant percentage of the production process has to be done in one place to get such a label and this standard isn’t met anymore.

    That said almost all brands that moved part of the production years ago to the far east have now managed to dampen the QC issues they had on the first days.
    So at least on material and quality there seems to be no major drawback nowadays.

    What still stands are slave wages (yes, even relatively, even if a wage is better than no wage) and pollution issues (a big factor in the cost being lower). There is a difference in factory and working rights and that difference is frankly huge.

    Bottomline: the real question at this point is why the cost to the consumer never varied so much when the company moved the production but instead grew steadily?

  2. Chris says:

    I see your point on not needing snowboarders to manufacture our products, even the US board factory iv been too certainly wasn’t made up of all snowboarders, mainly just snowboarder owned and operated. So quality wise I believe China can refine their processes just like any other busIness to make a quality product at the end of the day. Where it differs to me is where your money is going, and ultimitaley I would rather support a company that is: 1). Snowboarder owned and operated 2). Manufactures here in the US
    3). Cares about the future of snowboarding and isn’t just about getting bigger and making more money. All that being said I’m still at a loss to who to buy my outerwear, boots and bindings from to meet those requirements. Oh ya, the environmental aspect of China’s manufacturing is a pretty big one too, supporting the environment that gave us snow is pretty important.

    Big ups to the people in the industry trying to make it without shitting on everyone else in the process!

  3. GreatScott says:

    Merica!!!

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  5. David Z says:

    The environmental concerns and the working conditions/exploitation concerns are pretty valid. Then again, we live in a country that exports mass murder to third world countries everywhere, so we don’t have a lot of room to bitch about the working conditions of the world’s poorest countries…

  6. Sebastian says:

    It’s hard to talk about snowboard manufacturing like it’s this unique economic process thats different from everything else. The reality is that we use a Big Box Capitalism system and until you shift the market back to a Mom & Pop Fragmented economy (think 30 – 60 years ago) snowboarding goods, just like everything else will be made according to Big Box Capitalism’s rules. I commend people for sticking to quality domestic manufacturing, but if you look at the big picture we can’t play Hungry Hungry Hippos if we only have the game-board for CandyLand.

    In short, I don’t think it’s a matter of changing the Snowboarding Industry, it’s about changing industry in general.

  7. brutto_insetto says:

    Now I get your point angry, «it shouldn’t be country to country bias but factory to factory»,I agree and I thank you for yet again questioning what most people don’t dare to. Personally I’d say that one the pollution from factories is an issue, and two, goods that don’t need to travel around half of the world produce less carbon dioxide as well.
    Of course all the kids want their Burton Love, but then again there are alternatives; most boards are as good as any other, the difference is mostly just riding styles I’d say.
    True, snowboarding is hardly environmentally friendly, with all the shaping and chairlifting, not to mention helis, but then again one can still try to minimize right?
    And about China, as a country this time, has some serious human rights issues. That is the big problem. At least as far as I can see.

  8. e says:

    Speaking on snowboard factories, the slave labor is more likely happening here than in china. They get paid very little, but a little goes a long way when you have free healthcare, free place to stay(granted it’s a dorm) & free food, plus they get more time off for holidays than we do.

    Factories over there are doing better at running a clean ship, some are behind, but some are ahead of the US. They have full recycling, reusing energy, full clean rooms.

    Labor has increased 20% every year for the past 5 years, the currency has strengthen quite a bit, inflation is bad there, snowboard materials(mostly from europe) are going up double digits %, all this leads to china having to change it ways. It’s starting to copying more the european style since the US style well hasn’t worked. How many real snowboard factories does N.America have for OEM? Zero. The US has lots of little factories & some larger ones but then as a brand your supporting the competition that owns the factory(Mervin,Signal,NS).

    Boots is a flat out stupid business, wanna lose money then start a boot brand.

    In the end, there are lots of good choices for if you want US/China/Europe produced boards. For some it’s important to stick to US & the idea of a board company producing their own boards, for others they want a good deal on a board they’ll ride 5-10times a year.

  9. Angry at Angry says:

    Wow…who do you actually work for, Angry?

    Board makers going overseas for production has nothing to do with making a better product for the consumer. It is all about the bottom line. Manufacturing costs have dropped over the years by going overseas, boards are designed to last a couple of seasons max, and yet the consumer still pays the same price at the pump for a snowboard!

    I understand that companies have a fiduciary duty to maximize the bottom line for their investors and shareholders, but does the consumer have to help them out in this?

    Vote with your pocketbook, people! If you don’t like that you are paying to fund the multimillion dollar marketing machines and pro-overseas production that costs American jobs, creates inferior products, and stifles competition…buy high quality brands made in america. Else…seal your own fate.

    Thanks for calling it like it is, Angry…or should we start calling you The Trojan Horse as you present yourself as the snowboarding savior but usher in the enemy in your back pocket.

  10. Work for myself makes things a lot easier.

    Manufacturing costs have not dropped they’ve increased by 10 to 20% in board production boot production it’s something astronomical like 80%. China isn’t the save money situation it once was it’s just the area that can now mass produce as intended. Find an American made facility that could do 1000 boards a day or even say 100,000 boards in a building season. I dare you.

    Oh no I’m the anti-Christ cause I said the truth. American made does not mean it’s better and I bet those bindings, boots, and outerwear you use are made in China or some other over seas country. Do you hate your boots and wish you could have American made cause it’s supposedly better?

    Board prices have stayed the same for years at the higher end minus a few exceptions like Cygnus, Vapor, Method, and that fucking thing Palmer has that’s 2g’s. Yet the pricepoint boards have been able to trickle down with better tech even into the sub 300 dollar price range. Finding a board 10 plus years ago for that price with carbon, a alternate camber profile, maximized stance widths, and a slew of other options was impossible. Snowboarding is pricing itself out of existence hence the need for cheaper solutions. Personally I find that I don’t need a 550 dollar American made board to have fun I can have more fun on a 300 dollar entry to mid level Chinese made board and it will hold its pop longer, have a better end finish, and not look like it’s manufacturing process is sedated in the 80’s. By that I mean it didn’t take a gallon of epoxy to set it up. Hell I’ve even had American made manufacturers tell me that they could never get an end finish on their boards like the Chinese because they just don’t have that capability.

    Trojan horse? Please it’s cool there’s brands here but just because it’s by snowboarders for snowboarders and American made doesn’t mean I believe in it. They had better actually bring something to the table besides that false bravado and marketing. Merica FUCK YEAH!

  11. Angry at Angry says:

    Fair enough and I respect your argument…however, you have to admit that your point of view in the Communist propaganda piece ;) is strangely inline with what a specific big name brand would want the consumer to believe. We’ll just call you Friend to J.B. from now on.

  12. anon says:

    finally someone actually saying it like it is not bullshitting saying that everything made in china is bad, also people marketing things as made in america only do that because they have nothing else, it shouldn’t matter what country it’s made in but whether it’s made good!!

  13. upstatemike. says:

    whats crazy is that we did it to ourselves…all the people bitching about how stuff is made in china in general, would refuse to work in a factory assembling shit, because now we’re too “entitled” in america. We’re too “good” for that work here. and thanks to unions, we’d have to pay them 25 an hour. until americans sack up and actually want to do that type of labor, for not alot of money (because otherwise we’ll be paying $600 for ipods), then shut the fuck up about it.

  14. Angry at Angry says:

    Pretty sure the 12% unemployed would love to work in a snowboarding company here in the U.S. for much less than $25 an hour. Thats an old played out argument that doesnt hold water anymore. The real problem is that poorly written U.S. regulation has forced companies overseas and until we revise, not eliminate, but fix regulation, companies have no incentive to move manufacturing back. Also, for the most part, it is Americans starting and managing and overseeing operations in China using ingenuity from home and not that China is so much better at manufacturing than the U.S.

    Whatever, think before you buy and have fun boarding.

  15. e says:

    So what if the US put a big tariff on china snowboarding goods. Three things happen A) Everything skyrockets in price, u pay more for a lot less B) Snowboard companies would just say screw it as would shops since brands would just go direct…so quite a many jobs lost C) At some point people would try to build in the US, but most likely will just go to europe since europe isn’t afraid to manufacture on a larger scale. Mervin,NS have their own thing going & seem content, why open the doors to the OEM. The last potential real OEM snowboard factory just had an auction, old burton presses basically going to the scrap yard. Granted the owner did a crap job trying to get business, but he was willing to do something.

    Nearly everything in our lives has gone up in price, if anything snowboards have gotten cheaper/ or more value for less to the customer. Also, this is an industry wide issue, most companies are producing in austria or china. This is not about having a fat wallet either, it’s soley about existing. Do your product in china or go out of business. Now take a look at the gear coming out of china, visually for sure you can make a better looking board in austria/china than the US to the masses for a very good price. US is basically sublimated top with sublimated base or simple diecut base….not exactly cutting edge options, although they can still look nice. Nobody is even using DDP(direct digital printing) in the US while all of europe/china have been doing this for years, no water based lacquer or lacquer prints. Caster Oil topsheets, recycled sidewalls,edges,bases, waterbased inks all developed in europe. However crown plastics has been developing some….which other snowboard companied love to take credit for.

    The US has done very well in shaping boards & that with story of US made is enough for many…cool. Others don’t feel the same, cool as well. In the end, china is not the enemy, if anything it should be used as a tool to push US manufacturing to exist or get better & in the snowboard world this hasn’t happened.

  16. madbee says:

    Good debate. I happen to like a made in USA board and I’ve even toured their factory where the workers seemed happy with their jobs. But I have to buy a lot of my other stuff made in China. It reduces the costs for companies and increases their profits while taking money and jobs from the US. Whenever I call a customer service line I ask where the person is. Recently I spoke to someone in the Philippines who makes the equivalent of $30 US dollars a month. BTW China charges tariffs on their imports from us and other countries. They passed a stimulus bill that said everything it was spent on had to be made in China. That was taken out of our law.

  17. Mr Crane says:

    All right and all wrong. I read somewhere, a couple of years back that 40% of EVERYTHING sold in the world was manufactured in China, but you can’t even get into China unless your moving serious units which means it’s the place for the big brands or the wanna-be big brands. This argument always spins as if China is stealing jobs from the west but the truth is our own businesses (if they are the big corps) are selling us out for a bigger profit margin and the smaller companies pretty much have to follow the same route unless they can find a way to get people to buy their stuff for 20 – 50% more money. The problem isn’t China the problem is greed and anyone who says otherwise is playing politics whether they know it or not. The argument about tariffs is politics too, that 600 buck Chinese board will cost 650 in Europe. You can’t buy it on the web because a US company won’t ship it to the EU and if they did you’d have to pay huge import tax. That just means that the company selling the board is guaranteed to make more money on the same item. At the end of the day it’s true if we feel strongly enough about Chinese product we can boycott it but only if we can afford to pay more.

  18. e says:

    Serious units is not actually true for all factories, my buddy(American guy) runs a factory in china, he builds for American brands & in many cases they are doing only a couple hundred boards yet have a number of models. Other factories you really need to doing a 1000 units to get in, others you no chance.

    EU has to pay VAT regardless whether it’s made in Austria or China or US, difference is extra duties. For instance there is a 17% duty on snowboard boots unless they are made of mostly leather,boards 2.7% from China, then take on 19%-20% VAT. But that VAT you get back once they sell it….in the end the customer pays for the final VAT.

    I think people are missing the point, snowboard business isn’t a non-profit, people don’t need more practice selling gear, companies want to actually…what for it…make a profit. Some make more, some companies suck, same with shops.The point is virtually every brand loses money, even with chinese made product. Typically the bigger they are, the more sucking is going on. Back to the point, snowboards are not a cheap business, it costs a lot of money, it’s year round work, 12 months of money going out & only a couple months of it coming in….if shops actually pay or they wait a year to pay. People on average don’t spend over $400 on a board, shops know this & so do brands. However, mervin/ns have been bucking the trend, which is great. Shows innovation can be appreciated if hyped/marketed well. However, you can do this in china/austria as well.

  19. doug says:

    My boards come from me, we build them not too far from chinatown

  20. e says:

    nice! like it

  21. Milo says:

    As people already pointed out the argument of China production being as expensive as doesn’t really make sense.
    Why shift your production increasing risks and adding some extra costs (e.g. QC, import taxes, transport) if not to get a better margin on your profit?
    Indeed China now has the capabilities of manufacturing large amounts and mostly big companies are running the show but there are factories that produce smaller amounts and they attract others. Productions have been moved there because it’s MORE CONVENIENT for them.
    They saw the possibility of making that point something more when it came to sales, and on the large scale it matters. It’s business babe and it comes with worldwide markets.
    Granted, they are not saving really a lot (that’s why some good factories stand in europe) and snowboarding is a bitch business.

    But don’t come around selling the bullcrap of price increase (ever heard of inflation of costs?) or that working conditions and regulations are the same. Because they are not. And lots of people seem to make a pretty decent living with this business.

    I’m very happy that boards now have more tech for the “same price” but is it really such a big deal? Costs are supposed to drop for “old technology” aren’t they?

    Bottomline of this old-man-rant: margins were increased, we pay the same price, quality is now (mostly) up to the par (at least for Europe), China still has pretty shitty labor conditions (even including salary/cost of living ration) and most important little or no regulations on pollution/environment.

  22. doug says:

    you dont pay the same price… a 350 dollar chinese deck was not even possible to BUILD for 350 dollars in the 90’s… think about inflation.

    For instance, my first board was 369 dollars… marked down like 20 percent… so lets say roughly 400 dollars to save our brains. Go online to summer of 1989 and use a converter to find out what 400 dollars back then is worth today, it’s like between 800 and 900 dollars.

    This board had bindings…
    so back peddle a little, an 850 dollar setup probably has 200 dollar bindings on it… so 650 deck… equivalent to a Burton Cruise 155, which was the affordable shit back then.
    So because of china and the fact that the bigger companies were able to produce so many boards they have significantly practically cut the costs of snowboards in half… and still increase revenue, or at least keep the revenue the same by going to where its affordable to produce in such massive volumes. If you think about it in reverse, your 350 dollar deck was, i dont know… huge guess… 170 dollars back when these companies produced in usa. I dont recall Lamar/5150/liquid/dukes/Black snow ever being @ that price point.

    I’ll go google and get the math straight and come back…

  23. timmy says:

    I like to try and support the smaller dudes. I also like the thought of the owners of the companies being in the same building. Or at least state, or continent.

    Outerwear, boots and binding are limited to whats out there.

  24. Milo says:

    Here is my breakdown on the price thing Doug:
    I´ll make it easy and instead of going back to the ’80s I’ll just go back to the end of the ’90s the point being that we want to look at a pre-china boom time.
    I’ll also think in terms of Europe market (in USD).
    A top of the notch deck in 1999 cost roughly the equivalent of 450 USD while a medium range board was 260 USD.
    After china revolution (let’s take 2009) the cost of a top of the notch deck was 650 USD and the medium deck was just under 400 USD.
    Euro area had an inflation rate (overestimate) of 25% in that 10 year span which doesn’t account for all the difference..let’s think that maybe there was some currency factor involved (even though USD/EUR exchange has weakened).
    The only thing that is hard to evaluate is the tech material vs. cost to the company during the transition. Probably in 2009 a mid range board used the same technologies of a top deck of 10 years before as they became more readily available and at a lower cost..but I’m ignorant on the cost cut of this side.
    Bottomline is that even with inflation and cost of living increased we have prices roughly on the same level (and higher if anything, not lower), that in my opinion is because there is a limit on the cut you can make on materials..

    I agree though that nowadays you can get much better snowboards on the cheap end of the line and that a mid range deck has plenty enough tech to make everyone enjoy their ride without spending their cash on the top end.

  25. e says:

    Hi Milo, was looking at the 2000 Transworld buyerguide, have lots of old mags, but couldn’t go digging at it tonight. Anywho, midrange boards were not $260, there were these boards but also these were cap or injected. So many companies &/or models aren’t existing so it’s hard to compare, also look at the graphics. Ride Control was $299 with a 2 color top/base graphic, cap construction….now look at the Ride Agenda at $299 these days. Burton 7 was $370, Heelside was dirt cheap but you need to buy 4 to make it thru a season. There were more sintered base options below $399 then again still a lot with cap construction, 16 inserts, 2 color base or a real small simple diecut. You are for sure to find more expensive board these days, but also way better values & durability. Next year your gear will cost even more, unless they are doing direct sales and/or bypassing a distributor which is pretty common these days. Was interesting to see how many US manufactured boards were in the buyer’s guide back then.

    Trickle down in tech is difficult to gauge with cost, if you pay $5 for some tech & next year people think u should trickle it down to a lower model, well that $5 probably cost $5.50 so you added cost….yet the retail price can’t change, so this doesn’t work going apples to apples, plus since u added tech below you need to add more to the above models. Now if you are producing at a factory not making many boards & the next year they increase a lot in qty, then the material cost & labor cost can decrease, but only because you were paying a premium compared to other large factories. Anyways, materials are never cheaper, they go up every year, same with energy, so the only place to make a savings is overhead/labor….which means china more often than not. In the end, if you do some qty above a thousand, chances are the worst option is the US. Depends where you’re located as well.

  26. Milo says:

    I was referring to European prices and going by memory (well that almost never fails, I remember working summers to afford a new setup). I could check stuff out though if needed, I should have a collection of old catalogues from the late ’90s onward somewhere home.

    It is possible (and likely) that US situation was different, as it’s different nowadays. When retailed in Europe hardgoods cost the same amount of dollars in euros, despite the exchange rate and regardless of the company base. Guess it’s because of import/export policies but I’m going out on a limb here.

    Couldn’t agree more with your second part though. Exactly my thinking, even though calculations on prices of tech and material would be a hard knot to untie it seems to me that labor is the only part where you can actually cut a bigger margin. China offers the cheapest labor and on top of that cuts the costs for waste disposal/environmental fees.

    Most of the times “tech advances” in the sport haven’t radically changed the base/core/resin combo. We have better and more affordable decks now, that is for sure.

  27. e says:

    EU market is different for sure. Think it use $299 board would go for 279euros, but a $399 would go for 439 euros or something like that. Europe has so many big box stores that have their own brands & just drop the price. Big brands are bypassing distributors for some really low prices & others are also now going direct. It seems to be becoming a bigger issue that EU boards be built in the EU. It’s still heavy Burton/Nitro over there.

    58% of boards are made in china, 35% are made in austria, doesn’t leave a whole lot for the US. Not 100% positive on those numbers, but betting those are very close.

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  29. NOrgeUllr says:

    I was just looking for stuff not made in China. The boots are going to be made in China unfortunately. I still have a few pair of Unions when they were made in Italy with quality plastics. Their Chinese made pair failed on me when I was in a huge, fast carve. The ladders stripped out as they were being mass produced and the mold expanded creating a thinner ladder. This was brutal. To hell with poor quality junk. I’ll pay extra to have it made in Europe, Canada or the USA!

    The good companies have been sold out long ago. They follow the corporate model and that’s the rule. Get bigger, profits for the shareholders at any cost. If a corporation, (corpse) was a living man, It would be considered a psychopath.

    I will never ride a Chinese board. No way in hell. They’re all junk. You can buy American and Canadian boards that are made by riders in small batches so quality control is easy to maintain. Europeans ride their national skis and the same models are sold to us that are made in china with the same graphics. To hell with the image. Buy quality!

    Support your local and national economy. Stop consuming an image and get the fuck out there and ride!

    I’ve been riding for 22 years. I’ve seen it all come and go. This latest wave of Chinese products is retarding the progression of the sport. Snowboarding should be damn near free. The boards I rode in the 80’s are still together after massive abuse.

    Build cheap junk, it breaks and you have to buy new. In the early 90’s we will pay professional skaters to destroy the boards we made so well in America. This will make them break and you will OBEY and ride NEW!

    My friends in the telemark and skin industry say the chinese stuff will soon be killed by local builders like 333 or something. Dudes are making skis in their garage that fucking rock.

    DONT BUY THE IMAGE KIDS. BE THE IMAGE!

  30. Kids this is someone that’s bitter and hates change.

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  32. Colorado Snowboarder says:

    Haha wow people are stupid. And yes i would love to buy american made boots and bindings even if they cost more and weren’t as good of quality. Because i would be giving an american a job. And i would like others to buy american made so that i could have a job. I used to work at a fish farm that grew top quality healthy Tilapia Fish, then they lost all their business, and one day i was looking at the Tilapia in the local market, and it came form China! I wouldn;t be surprised about Walmart, but the little local market was selling fish shipped across the world from china, that was probably grown in the sewer, when they could be buying extremely healthy fresh fish form a local farm 10 miles away. WTF!!!! come on people wake up! you are not benefiting from buying cheap shit from china, you are just making it harder to produce here in America. Your taking away your neighbors job, your taking away your job, your causing Americans to go out of business and yet you still complain about our shitty economy, when your the ones creating it.
    And Angry Snowboarder, what in the hell do you do for a living? that isn’t effected by outsourcing?

  33. You read this site right? That’s my job and as a sole proprietor I doubt I would outsource myself. Also you fail to realize the global economy we live in.

  34. Plasma Cartwheel says:

    These ridiculous ass-kissers (http://snowboarding.transworld.net/1000027709/photos/photo-gallery/inside-k2s-china-snowboard-factory/) missed the point and so do you. What about human rights on a NATIONAL level? What about American jobs? What about the information cost of moving OUR equipment to another country? If there is a crisis, do you think they will give it back? This is a stupid move for stupid people meant to sway the consumer-boarders that the cheap board they just bought isn’t bad. Truly awful schill journalism in the Transworld article and a truly awful result of making snowboarding about new equipment every year for everyone. It would be one thing to get in bed with a country that has an enviable record, like Canada. What in the world are we doing working with a totalitarian regime to make…well, EVERYTHING.

  35. Capitalism, economics, and industrial revolution. All things you should probably look into before you try and act like you’re some kind of expert on the subject. FYI our great country went through the same bullshit, we just did it at a time when news of piss poor conditions was harder to get around.

    Also complaining that consumerism is evil and new snowboards every year are destroying snowboarding just shows your ignorance. If we don’t have companies putting out products every year and people buying them then companies dwindle, money disappears, ski resorts close, etc. etc. down the road till we’re all back hiking fucking golf courses and mountain passes. Don’t know about you but I kind of like having good gear and riding chair lifts.

    Keep sticking your head in the sand.

  36. matt says:

    Just want to add that my Rossi experience magtek has fantastic build quality.

  37. Matthew says:

    Snowboards made in China are made the same way. There is no machine made snowboard (to my knowledge). Pressed, Ground, and everything else. Same as in the great USA. The only thing that I could find wrong is outsourcing us jobs. That reflects on the company, not necessarily on the quality of the board,

  38. Jay says:

    Watch Death By China on Netflix. It will open your eyes and make you feel like a fool for the statements you made.

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